I think it’s time to do something about the class modifiers being a disadvantage

Shouldn’t we do something about the class modifiers being a disadvantage?

If you do that in a game that’s been running for over 7 years, everything will collapse.

I don’t think there’s anything that would collapse because of that…

>>3
If anything, it’s already collapsing with classes like Assassins…
Unless you give them the kind of power that Koyanskaya or Kama have, or buff their card performance like Jack, it ends up with “I’ll just use an Alter Ego even against Riders.”

Why did they even make that in the first place?

No matter how much damage increases, as long as there are gauges, it won’t collapse.

Casters still have Territory Creation, but Assassins have no backup…

>>8
Th-There’s Presence Concealment…

It’s still 0.9 after you add all the buffs and Craft Essences…

I’ve heard that Casters have lower ATK, but they’re given NP charge skills and Arts buffs as class skills to make it easier to spam NPs, so their damage output is relatively high. Some Servants like Geronimo don’t have those, though!

I wish they had just kept the base ATK difference without applying a modifier. The displayed ATK is already on the lower side…

They’re a pain when they appear as enemies, but really mediocre as allies. That’s the Assassin class for you.

>>16
Enemies like Okkie that can endure without Invincibility or even defense buffs due to skill cooldowns and NP rotation are just unreasonable.

>>16
When you consider enemy crit rates and how fast their gauges charge, you start to wonder if they got Rider and Assassin’s star absorption mixed up.

>>16
It’s simply that NPs are quick to activate.

The original design is holding them back, so there’s a chance they’ll review it like they did with the Quick buff.

Honestly, there are existing systems I’d like to see reviewed rather than adding more features we can’t handle…

>>18
I’d like them to start reviewing card performance from the very first Servants…
Just the weak ones though, and leave unique ones like Carmilla alone.

Do you really feel the class modifier’s negative impact that much?

>>40
At least for Assassins… yeah, you kinda do.

>>40
When the ATK difference is over 1000, it’s really huge.

>>40
When they barely survive with just a sliver of health, I can’t help but think, “If there were no modifier…”

0.9 isn’t a multiplier you should apply lightly.

How about giving Presence Concealment a boost to NP and critical damage for the 8th anniversary?

>>54
Crits I can see, but NPs? That’s a no-go.
Can you even use an NP while being concealed?

Got it. We’ll remove Berserker’s positive modifiers too.

>>60
Honestly, that might be better for balance…

They intentionally lowered the Assassin class’s ATK
then applied an internal negative modifier on top of that.
They should’ve done just one or the other, not both.

>>67
Same with Casters!

I’d like to see them address how Berserkers’ offensive advantage and Assassins’ advantage against Riders end up being not much different in practice.

>>69
Why not just make Assassins deal 3x damage on weaknesses?

If they’re going to apply it to the base ATK internally, that’s fine.
But don’t apply it to the final damage.

The Assassin class, well…
it has class perks instead of modifiers.
You know,
like those perks?

>>77
Presence Concealment’s star generation up is here!

>>89
Who needs it…

>>89
Presence Concealment itself is a crappy modifier.
The class’s perk isn’t Presence Concealment itself, but the fact that Assassins have a base star generation rate of 20 when most other classes have around 10.

>>77
It’s great, right? Triple NP charge bars.

>>92
But that’s for enemies!

When you properly buff and hit, the damage difference can be around 100,000 to 200,000. That’s class modifiers for you.

Star generation up as a skill is useless, so they need to revisit it fundamentally.

The longer class modifiers exist, the more it feels like a “we’ve known about this issue, but now it’s too much of a hassle to admit it and fix it” situation…
It’s like watching a real organization slowly rot!

>>104
Just get rid of it already!

But why do they apply 0.9 to the final damage and not the base ATK? It’s such a mysterious mechanic.

Even now, whenever a new Servant is released and it’s an Assassin, I find myself thinking, “Ah, it’s an Assassin… it’s an Assassin…” The character isn’t at fault, though.

At the very least, I’d like to see them remove the class reduction modifier for NPs.
I want to write that in the next survey… Is there one coming?

Archers also get a 0.95 reduction, but they compensate by having a higher base ATK.
Why is it only Assassins?

>>122
Probably because they’re perceived as weak.
Seriously, I feel like class modifiers were decided on that kind of basis.