Even if Kayneth-sensei survived, it doesn’t seem like he would have been happy

The student is at fault, the student is!

Even if he had summoned Iskandar, it would have ended up being a worse matchup than Diarmuid…

>>2
That’s not true.
They say that he and his fiancée would have been embraced by the King of Conquerors and would have died in a better way than in the main story.

>>2
It’s not the Servant’s fault.
It’s because Kiritsugu, the Magus Killer, was participating.

There were magi in the king’s entourage, ranging from twisted ones to reasonable ones, so they might have gotten along.
Still, in the end, the well-bred boy was doomed the moment he stepped into Vale Tudo (no-holds-barred combat).
My niece’s conclusion is that he was destined to die, regardless of what others did.

A Lord with one of the strongest magical mercury defenses… and yet, modern weapons dominated the battle. No one saw that coming…

>>6
That mercury could stop something like an anti-tank rifle, so it’s not that guns were strong.

>>7
The Lord was so powerful that Kiritsugu had no choice but to turn the situation around. That’s how bad their compatibility was…
The Lord was strong enough that Kiritsugu had no chance of winning without forcing that scenario.

>>7
The normal guard of the mercury could be pierced by a large-caliber round, but that would allow the Lord to regenerate and counterattack. So, you’d need to lure him into a full guard and then use the Origin Bullet for an instant kill.

They say he was fated to die in order to give rise to Lord El-Melloi II, but if Waver had died first, he might have survived.

>>9
He has EX rank Luck, so he won’t die.

No matter what, the Lord dies, and the second is born, destined to be reverse NTRed by his fake sister… that’s fate.

He’s undoubtedly incredibly strong, yet in every timeline, he ends up dead.

>>12
Magi may have invincible defenses, but they’re still human, so if they get hit from an unexpected angle, it’s over. It’s tragic.
Perhaps humanity should aim for the Third Magic with the Holy Grail?

Waver-chan messed up, so no matter the world, he has to struggle.

If Kayneth was involved, Waver should have been involved too; otherwise, it doesn’t make sense.

Surviving a mass attack like the collapse of a building is too strong.

>>15
The fact that he didn’t die from that is already strange…

His personality and abilities are a terrible match for Kiritsugu.

Even if you try to add more details later, it still just makes Kiritsugu look awesome for outsmarting such a strong Lord early in the story.

What Servant would he need to summon to survive?

>>20
The best strategy would be to not summon any Servant at all and just not participate.
Probably.

There’s no real need to participate…

There it is! A worldline where he survives! (Fate/Accel Zero Order)

It’s one thing if it’s your own house, but converting a floor of a rented hotel into a workshop is a bit much…

The thing is, Waver had to become Lord El-Melloi II, so Kayneth had to be eliminated.
If there was a Servant who could fake his death, erase his memories, and retire him from the world of magic… Would that be Asclepius?

Didn’t he die and give rise to the second in another Type-Moon worldline where the Holy Grail War didn’t happen?

>>28
Even in the worldline where the Fourth Holy Grail War didn’t happen (Apo) and
in the worldline where there was only one Holy Grail War in history (FGO),
he still died.

Even if his goal was to study Ghost Liner rather than win the war, he would likely end up being killed by Kotomine this time.

If there were an event that made Sola-Ui fall in love with him again…

Kayneth’s Origin Bullet was just too much of a counter, but aside from that, he completely blocked all of Kiritsugu’s other attacks. So, Kiritsugu was in a pretty tough fight himself.

If he could have had an honest conversation with Diarmuid, maybe they could have become best friends… or at least realized that their goals weren’t so far apart. It would have brought them closer to a happy ending… but that didn’t happen… it just didn’t happen…

If he had thrown everything away to raise Waver as Lord El-Melloi II from the beginning, maybe he could have survived?

>>49
People would think he had gone senile at a young age and would crush him politically.
This would lead to the second, burdened with guilt, thinking his mentor’s downfall was his fault.

>>49
Not only the other students of the El-Melloi Classroom but everyone at the Clock Tower (including Sola-Ui) would think, “Has he gone mad?” and turn their backs on him.

Waver-kun would be a disaster if he were pampered, so…
In a paradoxical way, for him to be successful, he must experience countless hardships and meet his fate.

The idea that Kayneth’s death and Iskandar were necessary for Waver to become the second has led to the conclusion that raising him from the start would only produce a mediocre third-rate magus.

Achieving success as a magus is Kayneth’s life goal, so even if he were to survive… it would still be meaningless to him.